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Post by skelewright96 on Aug 8, 2014 18:35:05 GMT -5
I'm a huge Saw fan. I know movies 2-7 weren't that great, but the first was a great movie that spawned an excellent series. ANybody want to discuss how Jigsaw came to be? I find his ideas are interesting, even if the way he made them work wasn't legal (or even remotely moral)
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Post by drfluorescent on Aug 8, 2014 18:42:10 GMT -5
He is technically right. People are too afraid to live. All he wanted was for then to enjoy living.
However, putting then in death traps isn't right. I can see why he would do that, but he's still insane.
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Post by sacreyoule on Aug 9, 2014 8:44:06 GMT -5
He is technically right. People are too afraid to live. All he wanted was for then to enjoy living. However, putting then in death traps isn't right. I can see why he would do that, but he's still insane. I've the same point of view, I saw (krkrkr) the first 3 and really appreciate the first one, ton of suspense ! Just after that I saw another serie more gore (Hostel I guess, I'm not sure of the title) who was purely free gore, it's difficult to tell people who hasn't seen it that the first Saw is more than gore & horror :/ |
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Post by drfluorescent on Aug 9, 2014 17:02:10 GMT -5
I think horror should be smart, like the first Saw movie. It was exciting, the traps were ingenious, and the bad guy was real- a terminal cancer patient that snapped, giving his philosophy a macabre twist. The good thing about the first movie is that it can also be seen as him taking revenge on his oncologist for not saving him.
Jigsaw is a pretty complex character, I like him but the series tanked when they killed him off and treated him like a savior or something. He's clearly a bad guy. That's the point. I think the movies would have been better if Jigsaw had continued living, evading the police and using his knowledge of the city (he build half of it) continued his games.
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Post by skelewright96 on Aug 12, 2014 10:31:11 GMT -5
All John wanted was to make people believe in life, much in the same way he did. He had terminal brain cancer when he was laid off from his job, and he combatted that as long as he could.
He said that people are so ungrateful for their lives, they should earn them back. I suppose he used traps in a sort of symbol for his own condition- his brain tumor was a ticking time bomb and a trap on its own. He wanted people to break free of the traps and gain the will to live, to survive.
Technically, it worked. In Saw 7, we see a help group for Jigsaw survivors. Most of them are of the opinion that he changed their lives for the better. It sounds bad and cult-ish, but in a way it makes sense. They (kind of) have a better appreciation for life now that they were so close to losing it.
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Post by urbanknight4 on Aug 16, 2014 22:37:14 GMT -5
Can we please discuss how much the apprentices suck?? Hoffman was a charlatan buffoon that lived to kill, and Amanda was a suicidal junkie that joined Jigsaw so she could live, not because she really believed.
Well, I suppose later she believed, but she did it the wrong way. What's this crap about inescapable traps? It defeats the whole purpose of Jigsaw's traps and his philosophy.
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