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Post by urbanknight4 on Oct 15, 2014 11:27:10 GMT -5
I'm an anarchist so.... The perfect government for me would be the one in which posts like this wouldn't be created. =P first post btw, HELLO PEOPLE! I think anarchy would be excellent. Except for the fact that it will never actually work. |
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Post by jdihzy on Oct 16, 2014 17:36:40 GMT -5
Anarchy is a perspective, not really a political-economical model. It has to do with people losing the bounds to the system and also the need to be guided by someone else. In order to do that we must dissolve the fear and the filtered reality they created.... Once we have enough anarchist people, we're going to go local, create independent communities, self-sustained, completely free from the bounds of the system....There will be no leaders, only free association.
Why is this difficult? As JIm Morrison said; People say they wan't to break their chains but the truth is; They love their chains and they'll fight to protect it.
We love to get numbed out in front of TV, we love going to work from 9 to 5 to obey our bosses so we can buy all the new fancy shit 2.0 that has no real fookin' use but it makes us feel so good right?
We dumbly believe that we're the "free-est" people in History, but the truth is that they finally found the perfect slave-lord model, the one in which the slaves will love their slavery..... Well, i love Aldous Huxley.
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Post by urbanknight4 on Oct 18, 2014 10:28:08 GMT -5
Anarchy is a perspective, not really a political-economical model. It has to do with people losing the bounds to the system and also the need to be guided by someone else. In order to do that we must dissolve the fear and the filtered reality they created.... Once we have enough anarchist people, we're going to go local, create independent communities, self-sustained, completely free from the bounds of the system....There will be no leaders, only free association. Why is this difficult? As JIm Morrison said; People say they wan't to break their chains but the truth is; They love their chains and they'll fight to protect it. We love to get numbed out in front of TV, we love going to work from 9 to 5 to obey our bosses so we can buy all the new fancy shit 2.0 that has no real fookin' use but it makes us feel so good right? We dumbly believe that we're the "free-est" people in History, but the truth is that they finally found the perfect slave-lord model, the one in which the slaves will love their slavery..... Well, i love Aldous Huxley. I think it has more to do with the fact that people don't want to sacrifice certain things for the common good. Thieves and murderers won't sacrifice their violent ways just to follow the laws, and certain people won't remain peaceful and obedient under the law, even if it beneficial to all. There is also the fact that not everyone in the world is willing to follow the laws if they're not enforced. You, yourself, how many times have you been tempted to break a law because nobody was watching? It all comes down to the individual, but subjective laws and actions are exactly what cause chaos. If we were to implement Anarchy today, half of the population would get out of their homes only to be killed by the other half. Once you remove the restraints from society, it will careen in a downwards spiral. If only people weren't greedy or vicious or rancorous, Anarchy might happen, but as it is all it takes is one bad person doing a single bad thing before everyone else begins wondering- If that guy did it, who's going to stop me from doing it as well? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 10:20:17 GMT -5
Best government is implicit socialism.
Basically, no government. Just a smallish town that handles itself and it's own people, and jerks are kicked out, leaving only nice people, creating more nice people, being nice to eachother and sharing. It's small enough to be well organized and tidy, while big enough to have proper first world services. Everybody is nice, so socialism actually WORKS. Somewhat like an extended non-dysfunctional family of nice people?
Too bad this is impossible to happen, because humans are not nice.
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Post by urbanknight4 on Nov 5, 2014 12:48:12 GMT -5
Best government is implicit socialism. Basically, no government. Just a smallish town that handles itself and it's own people, and jerks are kicked out, leaving only nice people, creating more nice people, being nice to eachother and sharing. It's small enough to be well organized and tidy, while big enough to have proper first world services. Everybody is nice, so socialism actually WORKS. Somewhat like an extended non-dysfunctional family of nice people? Too bad this is impossible to happen, because humans are not nice. Well, not only that, but most of the services we take for granted now would be impossible to provide with a small infrastructure like a town. TV and phones wouldn't be sustainable anymore because the economy of a small town wouldn't be able to provide the funds necessary to launch satellites or even make programs in the first place. What I think is best is a bunch of small countries, the size of maybe France or Italy, and just have them under socialist republics. This way there is democracy and there is fairness in the economy. I mean... a free market is one thing, but a full on capitalist system is another. Here in the US we have to pay to use hospitals... that's insanity. I've never heard of hospitals acting like businesses before, but there you go. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 18:18:20 GMT -5
Best government is implicit socialism. Basically, no government. Just a smallish town that handles itself and it's own people, and jerks are kicked out, leaving only nice people, creating more nice people, being nice to eachother and sharing. It's small enough to be well organized and tidy, while big enough to have proper first world services. Everybody is nice, so socialism actually WORKS. Somewhat like an extended non-dysfunctional family of nice people? Too bad this is impossible to happen, because humans are not nice. Well, not only that, but most of the services we take for granted now would be impossible to provide with a small infrastructure like a town. TV and phones wouldn't be sustainable anymore because the economy of a small town wouldn't be able to provide the funds necessary to launch satellites or even make programs in the first place. What I think is best is a bunch of small countries, the size of maybe France or Italy, and just have them under socialist republics. This way there is democracy and there is fairness in the economy. I mean... a free market is one thing, but a full on capitalist system is another. Here in the US we have to pay to use hospitals... that's insanity. I've never heard of hospitals acting like businesses before, but there you go. I was thinking it might be working with support from other countries. Possibly a chain of united small similar countries... it's really a lot like the US in that sense, only the "states" are only towns and the country itself would be rather small. When I say towns though, I mean about 500 people. It's a lot, but it's possible for most people to know most other people, or at least 7/10ths as much, while still allowing some of the benefits of a small town and also having the benefits of a large society (to a point), due to there being enough people to have all of the needed positions filled (lesser positions may have one person on two or such), and still sustaining the population (for example, lots of farmers). The alternate situation would be some sort of alliance with another country, or at least to the point where companies would be willing to sell their things, so if you're near another country, you might have the internet hooked up from there, or such. It would be very reliant on that country, but they wouldn't exactly be trying to harm anybody else in said society. It's not as if they have to make all of their own things anyway. Just because it's a socialist society, it doesn't have to avoid commerce with capitalist societies, it would just be more based on pool funds. The society could export any extra supplies from a good year, excluding the needed stored backup, so that they could still get money from a nearby country. In either situation though, I'm seriously doubting they would be isolated to the point of not interacting with other country. That's just begging for trouble... or at least a lot of extra work. |
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Post by ravenwood on Nov 12, 2014 21:51:59 GMT -5
A chain of small socialist countries working together to produce bigger products sounds like a lot of extra work. It's like bureaucracy multiplied, efficiency's nightmare. Small communities cannot produce our local services. They will have to grow to do so because teaming up with another society just brings too many problems. It's like 10 electricians working on a single lightbulb, very inefficient.
I would advocate for a moderately sized socialist republic. None of that "private hospital" jazz, health should be covered by the government. It's like hiring mercenaries as police, it's absurd. Under socialism it's fixed, and we can still have capitalist values.
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Post by fleker on Dec 27, 2014 3:36:09 GMT -5
A perfect government isn't attainable, and neither is a utopia. Ideally communism is where we may end up as a society, but what's possible in a government is always changing. England had a strong grip on their empire while being more spread out than the Romans. Not every country today would immediately thrive with a democracy either. The culture needs to be ready for one.
The role of government is to serve as a platform for the society's success and growth. Like an app platform, it must cater to users and developers. The goal is to have the best user experience possible for both groups. This includes keeping people safe, healthy, and happy. Specific elements will change over time, and we should evaluate past laws to check if they're still sensible. After a few decades the culture will change, and these changes should be accurately reflected in legislation.
It's also important to experiment. In finding an ideal society, economic and social experiments should be conducted. What effect will legal marijuana have? Instead of keeping it illegal or making it legal completely, the current way of having a few states implement it makes it easier to track effectiveness relative to the entire country. Data is key. If there's a negative effect, then we shouldn't keep it because of "moral reasons". Data trumps morality, because humans aren't perfectly moral, and government is created for humans.
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